Shooting the Russian 7.62x54 - The Shooter's Protocol (2023)

Over the years we have seen a steady progression in rifle performance and gunpowder modernization. The black powder oxidized the metal almost as soon as it was fired. Modern rifle powder like Varget is very clean. Corrosive ammunition is not something to be avoided, and thedust burn is often cleaned🇧🇷 You just have to follow a few steps to shoot and use this handy ammunition.Ammunition is declared surplus when it is no longer needed. Not many nations still use the 7.62x54R rifle, although it is still used in heavy machine guns. Some just need a little cash and we benefit from the decision. Much of this ammunition was intended for military use and was manufactured under strict control. In my experience, match degree accuracy was not as important as ignition reliability. From the7.62 × 54 Russianit is also a machine gun bullet, the cartridges usually have a tight crimp. In fact, it's hard to get a bullet out even with akinetic bullet extractor.

The availability of surplus ammunition made shooting and using older rifles less cheap and more satisfying.

The primer seal is good and the cartridges usually have a good seal at the mouth of the box, usually sealed with some type of lacquer. In other words, this is the type of ammo you might want to store for a long time. When sealed in a protective tin, the ammo is even safer. Of course, I shoot and enjoy my leftover ammunition. I just follow a few simple steps to clean the rifle afterwards.

Surplus ammo can often be correctly thought of as ammunition placed in a time capsule from a time when prices were lower. Let's look at 7.62×54 ball ammo. You can shoot a good batch of this ammo in a single trip to the shooting range. Rifles are accurate, fun to shoot, and hassle-free. The recoil is modest for the power involved. However, the heavier ball loads tend to hit the long distances we usually practice at. The 180gr. the ball charge is a little hard to aim for at 100 yards.

o150 grain hungarianloading at 2800 fps is generally closer to the 50-100 yard target point. A 150 grain bullet at 2800 fps is very close to.30-06 Springfieldand offers similar performance. If not hand-loaded, this handy ammunition is among the best bets on the planet for target shooting.mosin nagantand film a lot. Accuracy is passable, but it really depends on the rifle.

There are ways to tighten the stock and furniture of the rifle and also to ensure that the barrel is free of copper deposits. While some rifles are more accurate than others, most can be counted on for a 2.5-inch three-shot group at 100 yards. Often the same rifle carries up to 200 yards and provides a four to five inch group. That's pretty good for an old warhorse. Now an old rifle that rattles when shaken and has been beaten in war, or wars, can do five inches at 100 yards! On the other hand, one of the Finnish Nagants, with the best trigger pull I've ever experienced on this type of rifle, was turned into a beautiful 1.25-inch group, just like any WWII-era bolt pistol. For significant practice, the cheap Hungarian ball works great.

Corrosive ammunition will not rust on its own and corrosive compounds will not rust the barrel on their own. They have been used for many years because the composition is stable and reliable in all weather conditions. The adoption of self-loading rifles was virtually the end of this type of preparation. Gas systems would be destroyed by corrosion.

The key elements in corrosive primers are potassium chloride and sodium chloride. When deposited in the barrel and stock, they attract moisture and this causes corrosion. After firing these cartridges, be sure to thoroughly clean the bore, bolt, and operating systems.

If you don't clean yourselfmodern rifle, you don't need an old rifle and extra loads... If you are used to using black powder weapons, the leftover ammunition makes the task much easier. The firearm must be stripped in the field. I used a spray bottle with ammonia. This really knocks out the chemicals and cleans the rifle well. Boiling water is also good. Make sure the hole is very clean and use a good quality solvent. The rules are a bit different than cleaning with any other ammunition, just be sure to clean the bolt and barrel with ammonia. And like I said, hot water will work just fine and it evaporates quickly. Follow with a light coating of oil and you are good to go.

As for the Hungarian ammo, I took advantage of the modest amounts I fired, and so will you.

What has been your experience with the 7.62x54 round? Tell us in the comments section.

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2. Try a can of spam that YOU opened, not leftovers that might have been sitting out for a decade.

   I don't know if the overflow is dirty or if the cosmolene is still leaking inside, but the only way I've found to clean it in a reasonable amount of time is to clean it like a black powder rifle with HOT soapy water. .
   I have 2 boxes (4 sealed spam cans) of Mosin rounds in storage for SHTF.

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3. Misfiring may be due to firing pin protrusion. My M/N came with a shock indicator in its accessory pack. Mine also had a broken firing pin spring; Wolff Gunsprings makes them in various strengths.

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4. The British .303 is also good, reliable ammunition. It will pierce a steel plate, no problem. I have a surplus of ammunition in cotton bandoliers. Newer production ammo is too expensive to "plink" with my Britsh Enfield rifle. But it's still a staple favorite in my military firearms collection.

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5. I have a Mosin-Nagant 91/30 and a Chinese Type 53 carbine that was "brought over" from Vietnam. This Type 53 will dislocate your shoulder if you don't fit the stock correctly. He's a sure kicker! The M-G 91/30 is a reliable weapons platform and both are fun to shoot from a distance. Ammo is quite plentiful and sometimes reasonably priced, especially if purchased in bulk. As the story goes, clean it after each use and regularly thereafter if stored for a long time.

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6. Corrosive salts in primers are chlorates versus "chlorides" as written.

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7. #25 Mr.C.B, Very good… and I really appreciate the information on the subject of the screw/extractor! I didn't have it with the first one, but if I do have the problem in the future I won't let it stop me from getting another Mosin at a very reasonable price due to ignorance of the problem. Best wishes and Keep Shootin! ;)

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8. I'm new to the Mossin and mine is a 1940 Russian production. It shot great the first time. The second time, not all the shells were removed. I had to drop my cleaning swab to get it loose. I was told that it was the ammunition of the "experts" that was all, but as it turned out later, it was the extractor. After a few hits of my mighty hammer, I haven't seen this problem since. I have used the Bear brand and the Monarch brand from the gym. One has an exposed lead end and the other I believe is coated. Both fired without issue. At $10 for 20 rounds at the Academy, it's cheaper and more fun to shoot than my 1911 45acp or my MP5.

   Now that I've added a rail and a good scope, I can really aim and shoot with precision. I saw the scope 100 yards and 150 st at the range of my grouping is within two inches for the most part. I get up and shoot freehand and the first ones are three inches away. I get tired of holding it and the accuracy drops after that, but that's more my fault than the rifles. It's a beast. I haven't weighed it, but whatever the base weight plus a rubber plate and leather-wrapped barrel, as well as the big scope, it's definitely a beefy girl, but I love it. Most of the shooting problems I had early on and saw with many other Mossin Nagants people had something to do with the bolt mount. An extractor that is not flush with the firing pin housing will cause the extractor to pull away from the rim of the ammunition after firing, leaving the ammunition stuck in the barrel. Sometimes the firing pin and the housing at the end of the bolt will not fit together and cause problems when unloading the bolt. Sometimes you have to put the thing back in place or file it down. I got a bit of a gunsmith when I got my surplus, never opened or fired a Mosin 91/30. Now I have it how I want it. A good project rifle.

   (Video) Shooting Sound Of Mosin Nagant#Shorts

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9. great reviews on the mosan i got a few years ago bought an ammo can 440 rounds paid more for ammo than excess silver 250 yd rifle point on a full size 1/2″ steel silouett target making it easy to shoot on the head and chest 3″ groups the target was dangling so that it dangled the ammo punching holes as you punched them. The same target with 303 British surplus steel core similar to the mosan ammo was not very impressed with the ammo until the end. Any other corps fire 303 British

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10. I have a full size 91/30 and a Mosin-Nagant carbine. They kick like a mule, but I like both of them on the field. Ammo isn't as plentiful as it used to be, but you can occasionally find a decent deal on a 440 or 880 pot to spare. If you don't have one, I recommend getting it before it's gone. I paid $79.00 for the 91/30 and they GAVE me the carbine in parts that I rebuilt into a shooting rig.

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11. I have had an M-N rifle for 10 years. The only ammunition used is milsurp. and I am very happy with the cost. The first box of 840 RDS was $64.00 plus shipping. Now it's double in half. Well, we're in an ammo slump. As for cleaning the rifle after shooting, I use Kreloil and nothing else. No water, hot or cold or ammonia with or without water and no rust anywhere. I'm happy with everything related to M-N.

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12. I have to disagree. While ammo is cheap, I've had nothing but headaches trying to fire leftover ammo. I have two M N 91/30. When I bought the first one I got the only two 20 ammo boxes the gun store had. Only half of those 40 rds fired and two of those rds empty. he had to be ejected from the chamber. So I went to a different gun store in another city and bought two boxes of .20s and only half of them went off.

    Some time ago I bought the second gun from Dunhams. I also bought several paper boxes of leftover ammunition from them. Out of every 5 I put in the gun, one would go off and you never knew which one. When he fired, at 100 yards with an open scope, he was knocking out the Xs. Very accurate rifle, but that spare ammo is useless. I lost a lot of money on this that I could have invested 0.223 rds. and never incurred a misfire with that ammunition. And part of the surplus were the aforementioned Bulgarian sticks.

    If you don't have reliable ammo other than Mass Surplus, I'd pass it on. It is not worth thinking about whether it will shoot when you pull the trigger this time or not. And it is not worth spending money on shells that do not fire due to faulty primers.

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    1. Over 800 rounds fired with mines, surplus and modern production. One thing you might want to check (if you still have your Mosin) is the firing pin boss. My grandfather got his Mosin at the same time I got mine, and he seemed to have a layoff problem too. If he disassembles the bolt, he can rotate the firing pin to extend and retract its projecting distance out of the bolt assembly. Try extending it 180* turns at a time until you get an even shot.

       And if you already know and/or experience this, I'm sorry I wasted your time.

13. So I have a feeling "cheaper than dirt" doesn't know the difference between 7.62x54R and 7.92x57. With that being said, the Moisn Nagants are pretty good rifles. For solo playing at the range I like to use the Bulgarian silver tips (honestly who cares if the neck breaks a little once in a while), I've never had an FTF or box brake on the rifle. Even now, after the "gun ban" scare, the 54R and mosins still command a good price. A mosin nagant makes a great Christmas gift, and they're just great.

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14. This windex/ammonia myth has been perpetuated for a long time. Just look up the solubility of potassium chloride, it dissolves in water much better than anything else, about 900 times more easily than ammonia.

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15. I love the round, it is very powerful and, in my 91/30, very precise for a 7.62. We have a 300 yard range and a 5 or 6 inch group at that distance is usually where mine is. Not bad for milsurp.
    I got the rifle a few years ago from a friend at my club, it was in very good condition. For $150. Ammo is dirt cheap and still widely available. It's a fun gun to use, but it could replace a 6/30 for hunting if there was an easier way to mount a modern scope on it. Also, as you all commented, the cleanup sucks, but it's worth it in the long run. Have fun and stay safe guys.

    (Video) PSL 7.62x54R 🔥🔥🔥

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16. I just put my M-N into an Archangel action and it works like a dream!
    It looks pretty bad a$$ too!!!
    Tight groupings very possible for a medium shooter.
    And most of all I love the big bad round.
    Regular cleaning with solvent and light oil right after firing excess ammo (removes the bolt completely) keeps the firearm clean and rust free out here in the arid desert.
    The Ruskies really knew what they were doing back then!

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17. I love shooting with my M44, but I would REALLY like to get my hands on a VEPR chambered in 7.62x54R! Now we are talking!

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18. I got my first Mosin Nagant when I traded a Crimson Trace Laser to a fellow deputy for his Glock 17. Since then I have been hunting with it for the last 5 years. So far I have had no problem taking down deer with it. Last year I shot a buttonhead and doe from 220 yards in 30 seconds. I well the rifle is very accurate
    at that range I use a Nikon 3X9 scope and a scope mount from Cheaper Than Dirt. I couldn't stand the bolt that came with the rifle because of the matching serial number, so I lined up and bought another bolt to cut to fit the crooked bolt. I had Gander Mountain mount the scope and bolt headspace and they both worked great. Earlier this summer I did some camo work on the stock using one of the Dip Kits from "mydipkit.com". I'm going hunting next week and can't wait to try to catch another deer or two this year. I also traded the same person 300 rounds of Chinese 7.62 X 39 ammo for a second Mosin. Not a bad tradeoff, as I got another friend's Chinese ammo for free. Mosin is a great way to shoot on a budget.

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19. @Merle: The reason for using ammonia is to speed up drying.

    I haven't had a chance to fire my new SVT yet (this summer was very hot and dry, fire danger extreme), but I have no problem firing corrosive ammo in my PSL. Very easy to clean, dip the tip of a boreal snake's brush in windex or whatever and pull through the hole. Apply a wet patch just to be safe, then apply an oiled patch.

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20. I hate to criticize, but in both the article and the caption it should be "less expensive" not "less cheap"
    Otherwise great article, thanks!

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21. Great gun for teaching beginners marksmanship and practicing your own as it is very expensive. The kick is strong for beginners but again a good way to start as you will be forced to adapt and accommodate to it. Learning a bit of gunsmithing with this weapon is also fun. Modifications can be done without undue anxiety as they are very inexpensive. Taking out stocks and tinkering with them can also be fun. We've been pretty creative with ours. The weapon grows on you, especially after customizing it as above.

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22. I'm new to rifles this year, never owned one and only shoot hunting rifles from 30-30 friends. I bought the first Russian-made Mosin 91/30, cleaned the cosmoline and took a break. I was very impressed with the power but very manageable recoil. I dispense with the Russian surplus and some new Priv-Par production. A little less pep from the new production, but they both go BANG! when you need them. Then I got a 1944 production Finnish Mosin and it's very accurate putting 3 shots at 75 yards and I'm not a very good shooter. I would recommend a good Mosin to anyone as a hunting rifle or just for fun. Just remember not to shoot excess ammo inside, just use new lead production, the surplus will penetrate any recoil from interior areas, penetrate outside block walls, and penetrate anything outside of the building. Use only new production lead ammunition indoors. Know what's behind what you're shooting! You will like this ammo and rifle, and remember to clean it after shooting. Solvent and lubricant clean better.

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23. A few years ago, I messed with Mosin's and came up with this relatively easy and inexpensive trigger fix called the Mosin 2 Cent Adjustable Trigger, No Creep. You can find the wording here:http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=186&t=50969

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24. I bought my first Mosin Nagant ten years ago, it was an M44. The first time I photographed her, it was love at first sight. I loved everything about it. The accuracy, the recoil of the mule kick, the tremendous fireball that is unexpended gunpowder, and the NOISE. Oh what a beautiful noise. When you're shooting a Nagant within range, you suddenly get a lot of attention from others shooting other banks. I have since added Mosins to my stable. I have a Hex Head 91/30, two Tula armory 91/30, an M38 and a Mosin Nagant revolver. Oh how I love East Block ammo and weapons. The Mosin was the start of my WWII firearms collection, I have about 30 different weapons ranging from Allied weapons to Nazi weapons and a few Jap Crap weapons. Collecting is very rewarding. Shooting is even more so.

    (Video) Shooting a WWII Mosin Nagant in 7.62x54 Russian Soviet World War 2

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25. I love the round... I have been shooting Bulgarian non-corrosive surplus. Like the tripod mentioned above, some of the brass has chipped or cracked. I found that I had to reject about 10% of the rounds in my batch, but for the cost it didn't bother me too much. I can recycle the bullet and gunpowder later into a nice tin. It's a little more expensive than SPAM's big 7.62x54R corrosive canisters, but compared to other basic ammo, it's still dirt cheap and even with the ammo shortage earlier this year, it was still available. Accuracy on my PSL has been pretty good, especially considering it's milsurp. Actually, that's part of the problem... I know the rifle would do better with handloads, but with the overpriced ammo it's hard to justify "throwing your own" for that particular round.

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26. I'd love to hear from anyone who knows any tricks for the Mosin trigger. I like mine for shooting coyotes and wood chucks. I put a 24X scope on it and like to shoot it for the cheap ammo. The rounds pass through trees and dirt very well, making even questionable shots possible. I had the 180 grain AP round go through 3 pine trees, about 36 inches of live wood. You will go in front of an old car and completely pass it. That's when I found out I can't safely film behind my house (I have 11 acres).
    This is a very scary round. Thanks for the cleaning tips. I also use diesel for the final wash of the complete weapon. An old Russian told me that every night he washed his own with diesel before going to bed. Stalingrad perfume, he called it.

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27. The Milsurp 7.62x54R is inexpensive and, in my experience, very reliable. I never had an FTF. I had a few issues with my Bulgarian batch (cracked necks, loose chokes, and an occasional stuck carcass). Russian manufacturing is better, especially “Plant 100″.
    Accuracy wise, I just don't see sub 3″ groups with milsurp. The degree of matching is about double the cost per round, but it packs up to less than 2". But for the money, you can't beat the 7.62x54R surplus.

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28. At the risk of starting something, I'd like to point out that ammonia does nothing for corrosive salts - water (or aqueous solutions) will dissolve the salts. Hot water, the hotter the better, poured through the hole is all that is needed. The heat helps dry the metal and prevents it from rusting. Then clean as usual with your favorite solvent, no problem. The ammonia helps dissolve the copper; check the main ingredient in Sweets 7.62 solvent.

    This one has been around for a long time; I guess internet legends never die.

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29. I got my first Mosin Nagant from a friend who has owned and operated a nice gun shop here back home for about ten years or so. He had just placed a whole wooden box with them, it must have contained at least ten or twelve rifles. I had the privilege of opening the box to take a look at these rifles which we thought were going to be pretty bad for the cost. Second, I should have bought the entire box load! Some were a little more beaten up than others, so I went searching and found the one that seemed the prettiest to me. And, to the surprise of my friend at the gun store, all the part numbers match mine. It was the only one in the entire box that was like this and it looked like it had never been issued or at least cared for properly. Once the paperwork was completed and the NICs verified, I made a quick but not very thorough job of cleaning up the Cosmolean Rust Preventive, bought a box of ladles, and headed back to the stove. One round and I discovered two things. First, don't shoot this short rifle without hearing protection, and you should never practice without hearing protection anyway. Second, he was in love. It only required a little adjustment of the vertical sight and appeared to be on target, at least as far as off-the-cuff shots from about fifty yards were concerned. And the round discharge concussion is amazing! At night, it produces an intense ball of fire or a muzzle flash, so to speak! Leave an emotion!! And I can't remember for sure, but I think the price was either $75 or $85. I know we all said 'what and where could you get any kind of high powered rifle for that kind of money?' And with affordable ammunition! After some of the watching guys took turns shooting me, he sold two more. Oh, and mine and the others had the folding bayonets. That might tell you a bit about when I bought it, maybe before the ban.

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30. I have four 91/30s, an M44 and an SVT40. I used leftover ammo and found a cleaning mix of isopropyl alcohol, ammonia and tap water that cleaned up nicely, followed by Hope solvent and finally a light coating of oil on all working parts and the barrel holds the rifle in the condition in which you received it. . For the SVT40 I always use a non-corrosive 7.62x54r. Being a semi-auto, it tends to fire hotter (more unloaded rounds). In my experience, it is harder to clean salts from this rifle, hence the non-corrosive ammo. There is a substantial difference in the cost of corrosives and non-corrosives, so I use as many corrosives as I want. I wonder how long this surplus ammo will be available at affordable prices as it becomes more popular and supplies run out? Great high powered round for plink.

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31. I have to clean my Mosin 3 times a year just to keep it in slop condition. I use ammonia and then wash with diesel or kerosene. You said that the gun can aim at 100 meters. The point is that during all the wars this was involved at a distance of 100 yards, but the Russians and others used this weapon at more than 100 yards more often. The plains of Europe they were firing on were at much greater distances. For starters, I prefer to shoot an enemy at much greater distances. I like the performance of the bullet being able to go through almost any obstacle. I can't film behind my house because it goes through a lot of trees. 100 yards is pretty close when shooting this type of ammo.

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32. I'm a bit curious, why did you show 8mm Mauser ammunition next to the M-N?

    Blackbird

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    (Video) Russian Mosin Nagant shoot 7.62x54r